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Reef&Ruins

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Came back from a trip to Capitol Reef. Hot and a bazillion files, but all had a great time and fairly easy to distance thanks in part to a minivan with a 21 gallon tank and superb (for the class) fuel economy of nearly 28 mpg overall, good-sized campsites, mask wearing whilst in restrooms/stores/Rowley's Red Barn, and limited trips for supplies (except ice, which melted like mad in the heat). Visitor Center and Gifford House close at noon each day for cleaning. Good Stuff!
Sulphur Creek had water earlier in our time there but by weekend it wasn't running (irrigation diversion I'm guessing). Mask wearing was spotty, but mostly non-existent. In Torrey, some places were enforcing masks/hand sanitizer (Torrey Trading Post) whilst most weren't, but we didn't feel judged if we wore them. Owner at TTP was kind about it but was clearly concerned and wanted visitors to her store to respect her wishes. Side note: we've used her place in the past for a cabin and I highly recommend the establishment.
Most hikes had none to very few people on them (exceptions: Hickman Bridge and pool/waterfall 3 at the end of Sulphur Creek) or you could easily social distance if there were people (example: Grand Wash). Hike early or late and stay in camp during the middle of the day especially if you have a treed site (hardly anyone in campground during the heat of the day). About 8 or so no-shows each night. People with license plates from all over. We play the license plate game with the kids and we got about the same haul as we usually do including such rarities (for us) like Delaware.
 

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1 week from my trip to the Winds and suddenly, there is a spike in COVID in Wyoming. They are very close to hitting the limits for mandatory quarantine for the NY/NJ/CT triad. So, it looks like the rest of my group will have to cancel. Anyone with a job can't risk that quarantine. A year of planning shot.

From reports, there are enough tourists from COVID-heavy states that WY won't miss the revenue. From the little information that is available explaining the spike, it may be due in part to (a) prison in Rawlins (b) U. of Wy student parties
 

TheMountainRabbit

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1 week from my trip to the Winds and suddenly, there is a spike in COVID in Wyoming. They are very close to hitting the limits for mandatory quarantine for the NY/NJ/CT triad. So, it looks like the rest of my group will have to cancel. Anyone with a job can't risk that quarantine. A year of planning shot.

From reports, there are enough tourists from COVID-heavy states that WY won't miss the revenue. From the little information that is available explaining the spike, it may be due in part to (a) prison in Rawlins (b) U. of Wy student parties
I've been watching this, too, since I'll be heading out there on Sunday. I too lost most of my group - for good reasons, but unfortunate nonetheless. Thankful and appreciative that one is making significant effort to join me though, so I won't be solo. I enjoy a good solo trip, but that's been all I've done so far this year and it'll be nice to have some company.
 

Reef&Ruins

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Back now from 10 days in this year's edition of the September Sampler of Southern Utah or S3U for short--OK I made that up cuz it is actually just called the Utah trip. This year's Utah trip is brought to you in August and for a shorter time period by Covid-19. Grrrrr..... it should have been longer and not involved so much driving. Part of that was due to us wanting to not drive across the Navajo nation, since they have been hit hard by Covid, from our wave patrol dates in Kanab to our "own" part of the trip in SE Utah.
As with our earlier Capitol Reef jaunt this summer, in most places it is the out-of-towners who wear the masks except of course in supermarkets like Honey's in Kanab. Kane County has a pretty good share of visitors although we discovered while doing the wave patrol that online wave lottery winners don't always show up this year. Once you get east of any Lake Powell access we discovered the number of visitors went WAY down, except of course, in Moab. Natural Bridges has its campground closed until at least September 10, Hovenweep apparently has no visitor center access--unlike Natural Bridges, whose VC is open. Hovenweep's campground is also apparently closed and we were told it will likely open about the same time as Natural Bridges. Kane Gulch VC is pretty much always closed in August so that was nothing new. The Needles was pretty quiet until the day we left, then it appeared to have a somewhat similar number of visitors as we typically see in late August. Moab was still pretty busy (we just drove through on way back from Needles) and there was a pretty strong wear a mask order.
 

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That was a really good article. Bringing up the difficult issue of how recreation is much more of a conservation issue than it's made out to be by a lot of conservation groups and gear companies, and on social media. I've got lots of internal conflict on that one and I don't know that there's much of a way to find a good balance aside from making everywhere permit-only eventually.
 

Reef&Ruins

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I think this was the money quote from the article

“It might be time to establish limits on public access to protected areas and encourage changes in the behavior of recreationists.”
We were told recently by someone in Kanab and in reference to the wave permits that Trump is considering opening up the public lands even more. We were told this with specific reference to the wave permits being increased to the tune of from 20 (currently) to as many as 96. Announcement expected in September or October.
P.S. This is NOT intended to be an endorsement of one side or the other, just reporting information from a reliable source that lives in the Kanab area and is involved with wave safety patrols.
 

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We were told recently by someone in Kanab and in reference to the wave permits that Trump is considering opening up the public lands even more. We were told this with specific reference to the wave permits being increased to the tune of from 20 (currently) to as many as 96. Announcement expected in September or October.
P.S. This is NOT intended to be an endorsement of one side or the other, just reporting information from a reliable source that lives in the Kanab area and is involved with wave safety patrols.
That was the proposal the BLM made last year: https://www.thespectrum.com/story/n...liffs-national-park-hiking-trails/1137882001/

 

Reef&Ruins

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That was the proposal the BLM made last year: https://www.thespectrum.com/story/n...liffs-national-park-hiking-trails/1137882001/

That’s correct. Apparently there was backlash from local guides and others in the community and it went underground so to speak. But apparently the word is it is going to come back as an announcement this fall potentially as part of an opening up of public lands initiative.
 

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We were told recently by someone in Kanab and in reference to the wave permits that Trump is considering opening up the public lands even more. We were told this with specific reference to the wave permits being increased to the tune of from 20 (currently) to as many as 96. Announcement expected in September or October.
P.S. This is NOT intended to be an endorsement of one side or the other, just reporting information from a reliable source that lives in the Kanab area and is involved with wave safety patrols.
So glad that we got in two visits to Coyote Buttes north in the early-mid 2000's! Other than the obvious swarming of the main features, more permits will inevitably result in way more of the un-prepared out there, than there are already.
Maybe though it will result in less visitation to CB south and White Pockets?
Back to plans affected by covid- it seems certain that our annual (since 2003) October Colorado Plateau trip won't happen, as the Canada-US border looks to remain closed to non-essential vehicle traffic for some time yet. :cry:
 

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Word didn't help my November request - already got my rejection email. Five years and counting....:(
 

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So glad that we got in two visits to Coyote Buttes north in the early-mid 2000's! Other than the obvious swarming of the main features, more permits will inevitably result in way more of the un-prepared out there, than there are already.
Maybe though it will result in less visitation to CB south and White Pockets?
Back to plans affected by covid- it seems certain that our annual (since 2003) October Colorado Plateau trip won't happen, as the Canada-US border looks to remain closed to non-essential vehicle traffic for some time yet. :cry:
A 17-year tradition sounds essential to me!

Sorry to hear that though. Hopefully it eases up sometime soon. I'm not optimistic with how it's being handled here, but a person can hope!
 

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