The Double Black Hangover.

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We dealt with the double black Hangover on February 8, 2018, the day before we headed a "little bit off course" (@Rockskipper ;)) to the Chiricahua National Monument. What exactly do you need for the Hangover? WINTER, MID WEEK DAY, NON-HOLIDAY, STICKY SOLES or perhaps a MTB.

And if you are a photographer and you like WATER, RED ROCKS, BLUE SKY, UNLIMITED WATER REFLECTIONS, then you bring a camera or two.

How many people do you meet? 4 or maybe 6. How many bikers? Zero, maybe 1 biker with a dislocated shoulder.

The Hangover hiking trail ( also a ONE-WAY Double Black Diamond MBT trail) wraps around Mitten ridge. It's a ledgy and steep trail on a lot of slick rock with spectacular views. It's an epic MBT trail, that is so difficult, that you actually rarely meet a biker or another hiker - assuming you pick a midweek, non holiday, winter day.
To get to the Hangover trail, you need to hike up via Munds Wagon Trail along a creek and turn onto Cow Pies trail. In the month of February the creek has flowing water, like we saw in 2017, or it has standing water, like this trip in 2018. We usually 'crawl' with a speed of 1mph up Munds Wagon, because of the many photo opportunities. If the water flows in the creek, then you need to cross the creek about 8 times or so. We have hiked this 8.5 mile loop hike about 5 times over the past few years and the pictures will give away it's location.
I attached links to some epic MBT videos at the end, if anyone is interested to watch it. Our MBTs collect a lot of dust in our basement, but they all have fun memories of throwing me off ridge trails in the Alps. Now we mostly hike, here are the pictures :

Distant view from Cow Pies of Mitten Ridge with the Hangover trail.
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Here is a view from the steep part of the Hangover trail - on the back side of Mitten ridge. White MBT marker on the slick rock.
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BEFORE we reached the Hangover trail, we saw all these water reflections on MUNDS WAGON trail:
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And here is Rick- the Photographer in action.
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Further up on Munds Wagon trail:
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View from Cows Pie trail towards Mitten Ridge and the Hangover trail:
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And finally the start of the Hangover trail. Bikers have to enter here, hikers can obviously come from the other side, though it requires from scrambling.
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Trail is just to the right of the tree
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The saddle, the Hangover trail is a ledge to the right and below the woman with the dog. This is really a lot steeper than it looks.
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I didn't like to stand, where Rick is......
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Who repairs the Hangover? These fine women and men from the US Forest Service. And in no time Rick had them lined up and posing!
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And Rick got two of their phones and took more pictures, so they had some pictures to share. And I took a picture of Rick taking pictures.
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On the trail, looking back to the saddle (behind the tree)
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This is taken right on the Hangover trail looking back, lots of steep slick rock
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2017 picture:
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A wide Subway looking area- I feel good here!
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Remember it's a Mountain Bike trail - watch them pass this piece in the videos.
There is NO ROOM FOR ERROR ON THIS TRAIL. YOU WILL END UP VERY FAR DOWN, IF YOU FALL OFF THIS LEDGE.

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Here is the 2017 iPhone picture of Rick at that tree:
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And here is the steep section of the Hangover trail with spectacular views. First a hard 180 turn.
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Views are incredible here (good lunch spot), but I doubt the mountain bikers get to see that.... white marker to the left.
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We never follow the bike line with white markers exactly- sometimes you need a different route as a hiker.
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Looking back up at the steep section.
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Back side of Mitten ridge- or the side facing Munds Wagon trail. Lots of loose rocks and switchbacks on the return,
see second video, it shows the remaining trail better.

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We then enjoyed more water reflections on the way back:
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And when the water flows- like in February 2017 there are few reflections, but a lot of this: H4-water running-2017-P2080548.jpg

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Hope you enjoyed the photos and the following MTB videos I found on-line. :cool:
So.... do we have any MTB'ers on BCP?

First video from Saddle to the steep section and the 180 turn:

Second part of the Hangover trail (from steep section down through the switchbacks)
 

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I would hike this trail! Love the photos you posted. I do not think I would mountain bike on the trail. I love red rock riding but prefer a trail with a little more margin for error.

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Nicely photographed and an eye opener route. I am going to go there and walk that. No more MTB for me.
 
Rick says "thank you"! It's our favorite hiking trail in Sedona. It used to be a 'renegade' MTB trail, but it was converted to an official trail.

The first time we hiked the Hangover, we saw an injured mountain biker with a dislocated shoulder at the bottom of the steep hill. He was checking websites on his phone to see, if he and a runner who assisted him could pop it back in place....ouch....TMI? They couldn't, so the runner ended up riding (!) the biker's MTB down and the biker had to walk back! Hm...

We have learned to carefully select the day we go, to avoid the crowds and we stay in the Village of Oak Creek- south of Sedona. The winter weather in Sedona can be iffy with freezing rain, slush.... and very damp cold weather. But, if that is in the forecast, then we just drive to Tucson and/or Chiricahua and come back when it's better. Sedona winter weather can also consist of 5 days with 65-80F and sun, blue sky, like our February 2018 trip.

Those MTB videos are awesome. I can't stop watching them. Figured @Ben would like those too....
Sedona has lots of great mountain biking for all levels (@blueeyes).
 
Sedona has been on my list to ride for a long time. Problem is getting time off work and money to travel. Someday it will happen.

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I understand @blueeyes - some day ! :)

We had those restrictions for many decades, but a big mass layoff changed that. That might be the second best thing that ever happened to us, because now we can travel off season for little money. The best thing that ever happened to us was our neighbor's kitty moving in some years ago. When she very unexpectedly died last year, we had to fill the void. Going out West on the road trips to hike filled the void.
 
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So much great stuff here! Thanks for posting. And really glad to have you on board here! Looking forward to more of your reports.
 
We hiked this again today, but we didn't meet any bikers on the Hangover trail. I wonder why.... the views are just fabulous!
Hiking down that cliff on the backside (second MBT video) really feels like a free fall over a cliff, it's crazy.
Stunning water reflections again today. Just iPhone pictures below, I'm sure Rick will have some great new photos to share later.

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iPhone panorama. First time ever today, that I could stand here at this edge and feel ok! Progress.
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Well marked MBT !
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Partway down the cliff on the backside. Bikers have started a new loose rocky trail at the edge, to avoid some of the free fall sections on the slickrock. Again, this is much steeper than it looks
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Don't forget to watch those fun MBT videos again!
 
My neck of the woods. I used to ride with some guys from Mountain Bike Heaven in the late 90s and early 2000s when some of the mountain bike trails in Sedona were being invented. Back then that trail was not developed and it evolved over time. You are a great photographer
 
My neck of the woods. I used to ride with some guys from Mountain Bike Heaven in the late 90s and early 2000s when some of the mountain bike trails in Sedona were being invented. Back then that trail was not developed and it evolved over time. You are a great photographer

Thank you, I will let Rick know and welcome to BCP @Arizona Jones . Rick is really the photographer, I just use the iPhone. It's super cool, that you were riding on the trails very early on, probably a lot less people back then. I believe this particular trail was initially some sort of a "renegade" bike trail. We have been on it about 5 times and it's always great fun. FYI: There's a few more BCP'ers living in your "neck of the woods", like @Blake Merrell , @o2bav8 and 1 more (forgot the nickname)....

Here's some early Dec 2019 photos. We actually met 2 bikers and it was right at the most difficult double black diamond section! It was no problem for them, they made it look so easy.

Fisheye lens view:
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View from the saddle:
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The trail is ahead of Rick...
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Thank you, I will let Rick know and welcome to BCP @Arizona Jones . Rick is really the photographer, I just use the iPhone. It's super cool, that you were riding on the trails very early on, probably a lot less people back then. I believe this particular trail was initially some sort of a "renegade" bike trail. We have been on it about 5 times and it's always great fun. FYI: There's a few more BCP'ers living in your "neck of the woods", like @Blake Merrell , @o2bav8 and 1 more (forgot the nickname)....

Here's some early Dec 2019 photos. We actually met 2 bikers and it was right at the most difficult double black diamond section! It was no problem for them, they made it look so easy.

Fisheye lens view:
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View from the saddle:
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The trail is ahead of Rick...
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Yea "renegade" is one way to put it. The So called "gnarly crew" from Mountain Bike Heaven just went off trail and made up trails, back then, and this was part of that. The High On the Hog trail was a route Mountain bikers invented and the Forest service would try and block it with trees and rocks to stop it, but now it is an "official trail" . Same with the Highline Trail. In the late 90s we found an unofficial trail running from Courthouse Butte over to Little Horse and we really loved it so we kept riding it. A few weeks latter we ran into a guy with Llamas taking people camping using the trail. He was upset that we were on "his trail" that he developed for his llama tours. That trail is still called Llama trail. Out west of Sedona we invented what is now Chuck Wagon trail. We used to call it "Lost Watch Trail" because the day we were making up the route a girl that was with us lost her watch and we went back looking for it in hopes of finding it. So for years we called it Lost Watch. The trail system at Dead Horse Park in Cottonwood was also invented by Mountain Bikers in the late 90s.
 
We dealt with the double black Hangover on February 8, 2018, the day before we headed a "little bit off course" (@Rockskipper ;)) to the Chiricahua National Monument. What exactly do you need for the Hangover? WINTER, MID WEEK DAY, NON-HOLIDAY, STICKY SOLES or perhaps a MTB.

And if you are a photographer and you like WATER, RED ROCKS, BLUE SKY, UNLIMITED WATER REFLECTIONS, then you bring a camera or two.

How many people do you meet? 4 or maybe 6. How many bikers? Zero, maybe 1 biker with a dislocated shoulder.

The Hangover hiking trail ( also a ONE-WAY Double Black Diamond MBT trail) wraps around Mitten ridge. It's a ledgy and steep trail on a lot of slick rock with spectacular views. It's an epic MBT trail, that is so difficult, that you actually rarely meet a biker or another hiker - assuming you pick a midweek, non holiday, winter day.
To get to the Hangover trail, you need to hike up via Munds Wagon Trail along a creek and turn onto Cow Pies trail. In the month of February the creek has flowing water, like we saw in 2017, or it has standing water, like this trip in 2018. We usually 'crawl' with a speed of 1mph up Munds Wagon, because of the many photo opportunities. If the water flows in the creek, then you need to cross the creek about 8 times or so. We have hiked this 8.5 mile loop hike about 5 times over the past few years and the pictures will give away it's location.
I attached links to some epic MBT videos at the end, if anyone is interested to watch it. Our MBTs collect a lot of dust in our basement, but they all have fun memories of throwing me off ridge trails in the Alps. Now we mostly hike, here are the pictures :

Distant view from Cow Pies of Mitten Ridge with the Hangover trail.
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Here is a view from the steep part of the Hangover trail - on the back side of Mitten ridge. White MBT marker on the slick rock.
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BEFORE we reached the Hangover trail, we saw all these water reflections on MUNDS WAGON trail:
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And here is Rick- the Photographer in action.
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Further up on Munds Wagon trail:
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View from Cows Pie trail towards Mitten Ridge and the Hangover trail:
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And finally the start of the Hangover trail. Bikers have to enter here, hikers can obviously come from the other side, though it requires from scrambling.
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Trail is just to the right of the tree
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The saddle, the Hangover trail is a ledge to the right and below the woman with the dog. This is really a lot steeper than it looks.
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I didn't like to stand, where Rick is......
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Who repairs the Hangover? These fine women and men from the US Forest Service. And in no time Rick had them lined up and posing!
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And Rick got two of their phones and took more pictures, so they had some pictures to share. And I took a picture of Rick taking pictures.
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On the trail, looking back to the saddle (behind the tree)
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This is taken right on the Hangover trail looking back, lots of steep slick rock
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2017 picture:
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A wide Subway looking area- I feel good here!
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Remember it's a Mountain Bike trail - watch them pass this piece in the videos.
There is NO ROOM FOR ERROR ON THIS TRAIL. YOU WILL END UP VERY FAR DOWN, IF YOU FALL OFF THIS LEDGE.

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Here is the 2017 iPhone picture of Rick at that tree:
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And here is the steep section of the Hangover trail with spectacular views. First a hard 180 turn.
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Views are incredible here (good lunch spot), but I doubt the mountain bikers get to see that.... white marker to the left.
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We never follow the bike line with white markers exactly- sometimes you need a different route as a hiker.
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Looking back up at the steep section.
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Back side of Mitten ridge- or the side facing Munds Wagon trail. Lots of loose rocks and switchbacks on the return,
see second video, it shows the remaining trail better.

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We then enjoyed more water reflections on the way back:
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And when the water flows- like in February 2017 there are few reflections, but a lot of this: View attachment 69215

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Hope you enjoyed the photos and the following MTB videos I found on-line. :cool:
So.... do we have any MTB'ers on BCP?

First video from Saddle to the steep section and the 180 turn:

Second part of the Hangover trail (from steep section down through the switchbacks)
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Super windy day yesterday and we saw about 18 bikers (!), as it was a Sunday. One group walked their bikes back out after a fall, sadly one biker was holding her jaw and chin, she was clearly in a lot of pain. Wish her a speedy recovery, cannot stop thinking of her. The Hangover is a tough trail and several sections will get your attention just hiking it. Surprisingly, the exposure doesn’t bother me anymore like it did several years ago, progress!

Too windy to take a lot of photos from the saddle itself
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Not exactly a hat day, it was a lot in the backpack. Waiting for the wind gusts to quiet down before heading across
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Great views
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Some bikers cross right over the saddle and down into the area between Rick and me, see earlier video
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Two guys arrived behind us on trail just before the spicy section and we heard ”oh shit, yah…. hm…” and then one said to Rick: “this has been more hiking than biking”. We respect these guys for realizing their capabilities:
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Hm…. yah, maybe not. No photo shows how steep this section really is. But we have seen guys bike down it.
So @b.stark are you getting any ideas?
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This cutie ran super fast up to us about midway, quickly found a small stick and we played together for a while. Never mind the gusty winds and the steep slope, time to play. Then he/she looked back at the owners wondering why it was taking them so long?
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Another biker in between the trees, he started the fastest downhill part
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one of my fears is that I'll be in an exposed spot, my hat blows off, and I'll lunge for it without thinking!!!
 
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