When might road to Salt Creek TH be ok?

[Janice]

Months ago I got a permit for 5 nights in the Needles to head down Salt Creek and eventually make it to Chesler Park, starting in about two weeks. Our plan was for Coyote Shuttle to drive us to Cathedral Butte TH and stay SC1, SC3, Open Zone, LC1, EC3 then exit. I had been delighted to get almost all of our 1st choice campsites. But Winter 2023 had other plans for us... NPS says the road to the TH is impassable and will remain that way for awhile. We've created a Plan B, to start at the Needles CG and stay Open Zone, then head up to SC3 and do as much exploration between SC3 and SC1 as possible, then head back down and continue as originally booked, staying at Open Zone (again) and beyond. To do Plan B, I have to change SC1 to Open Zone for our 1st night, and I haven't done that yet; I have a tiny hope that the road might be passable after all and we'd hate to give up SC1 prematurely. But we also don't want to lose the opportunity to get an Open Zone permit for the 1st night. Because of conditions, they're reserving Open Zone based on # people rather than # groups, so there are still spots left, but you never know how things might develop.

SO my question is: Does anyone have a sense of the roads in that area and think there's a possibility Bridger Jack Rd (107) will be passable two weeks from now (in contrast to what the NPS says)? I welcome your info and advice.

 

[TrailScot]

Hi Janice,

It might be worth emailing the fantastic couple, Amber and Caleb, who run Needles Outpost (needlesoutpostut@gmail.com), which is the private campground/store just outside of the park.

They often explore the surrounding area themselves and with clients in their ATVs, so would be able to give you another perspective on how the local roads are looking at the moment.

In fact, it might be worth asking if they could shuttle you to Cathedral Butte TH.

 

[Janice]

Thank

Hi Janice,

It might be worth emailing the fantastic couple, Amber and Caleb, who run Needles Outpost (needlesoutpostut@gmail.com), which is the private campground/store just outside of the park.

They often explore the surrounding area themselves and with clients in their ATVs, so would be able to give you another perspective on how the local roads are looking at the moment.

In fact, it might be worth asking if they could shuttle you to Cathedral Butte TH.

This is super helpful. Thanks - I will contact them!

 

[Ted]

See if you can find how far the road goes before closure - the road to the trailhead might be impassable, but parking your rig and walking a few miles or two isn't a big deal is it?

 

[SeanIsADesertRat]

If you hear back from Amber and Caleb, I'd like to request that please share what they tell you.

 

[Titans]

@Janice - just walked in and talked with a more senior ranger at the The Needles visitor center.

Road to Cathedral Butte: There are several feet of snow up there. Somebody tried to drive out recently in a proper vehicle and didn’t even make it half way from the paved road. Got stuck and had to get towed out.
They expect it’s going to be a long while before you can get close, like May!
The ranger said they get their info directly from the BLM office in Monticello- so best to call them directly for updates about the road to CB.

Then Lost canyon has a lot of water now, multiple water crossings are necessary, shin deep.

The rest of the regular day area hiking routes are all clear, no ice, no snow. Mud, water and big pools in the canyons are more of a concern. Lost canyon being the wettest.
No ice on the ladders and no ice on the moki steps.

 

[Janice]

@Titans - you are amazing! This is incredibly helpful, as you know I have been deliberating about this a ton. I actually had on my list for tomorrow to contact Monticello BLM.

Regardless of how we start our trip, I am thrilled to hear that we won't have to worry about ice on the other parts. That is great news for ALL of us who are excited to hike in the Needles right now.

I hope you two have a wonderful time there. It will be great to hear about your adventures!!!

 

[IntrepidXJ]

They expect it’s going to be a long while before you can get close, like May!

Until recent years (dry and warm winters), this used to be the normal timeframe for that road to open.

 

[Janice]

Interesting. Were you ever there early in the season when the road was snowy? If so, I'd love to hear what that was like, including if the initial descent on the trail was difficult (snow/ice on the steep sections, etc.).

 

[IntrepidXJ]

Interesting. Were you ever there early in the season when the road was snowy? If so, I'd love to hear what that was like, including if the initial descent on the trail was difficult (snow/ice on the steep sections, etc.).

I drove up there during a winter storm a couple years ago and it's not an experience I care to repeat. The descent of the trail was steep and slippery at first, but nowhere near as bad as the drive.

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[Janice]

Great to read your report. Sounds like that muddy road was intense!

I've enjoyed a lot of your reports, including others from the Needles, but I had missed this one. Beautiful photos as always!

 

[Titans]

@Titans - you are amazing! This is incredibly helpful, as you know I have been deliberating about this a ton. I actually had on my list for tomorrow to contact Monticello BLM.

Regardless of how we start our trip, I am thrilled to hear that we won't have to worry about ice on the other parts. That is great news for ALL of us who are excited to hike in the Needles right now.

I hope you two have a wonderful time there. It will be great to hear about your adventures!!!

We met several guys yesterday on the Peekaboo trail in the same boat as you, nobody is able to drive to Cathedral Butte now or any time soon. Some maintained their Peekaboo campsite- others did day hikes.

We were surrounded by snow squalls yesterday and dodged them till the evening and night in the CG. Very windy during the squalls and cold! There’s snow on the ground this morning, but it will soon be gone.

View from the end of the Peekaboo trail towards Salt Creek and maybe Cathedral Butte? Snow squalls everywhere!



View into Salt Crerk

 

[Janice]

Thanks for the additional info. Fantastic photos - I'm getting excited!

 

[Uncle_Dim]

Any updates? Did you have to change your itinerary? I'm in the same boat for a May 5th start date. Any info on the road conditions would be greatly appreciated. I'll be calling around to NPS, BLM and Needles Outpost tomorrow.

 

[BeardoMcGrath]

Any updates? Did you have to change your itinerary? I'm in the same boat for a May 5th start date. Any info on the road conditions would be greatly appreciated. I'll be calling around to NPS, BLM and Needles Outpost tomorrow.

I pasted a Sentinel capture from Apr 29. Looks like the recent warm weather has melted the road out. One concern I would still have is whether the crossing of Indian Creek at the start of the road is high because of recent melt. The forecast for later this week is for pretty cool conditions so that may help.

 

[Uncle_Dim]

The river crossing is what I'm trying to get some detailed info about. I'm familiar with the road and as long as it's dry it shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[AWR]

From the latest ( 5/1 ) Canyonlands Road Report

• Beef Basin Road/Bridger Jack Road/CR-107: Impassable due to high flood waters produced by rain and snowmelt cutting off access, including access by high clearance 4WD vehicles. Conditions change quickly and water may rise rapidly. Visitors may not be able to access the south boundary of The Needles or Cathedral Butte Trailhead at this time.

 

[maisweh]

Hey gang. I've been anxiously holding to bump this and can't wait any longer. I am hoping to take Beef Basin rd to the upper Salt Creek TH at Cathedral Butte next Wednesday. I'll be calling in to BLM and NPS tomorrow but also wanted to ask if anyone here has input. Thanks!!

 

[Bob]

Up the road out of canyonlands from Bobby's hole is always tough... If that's the way you are talking

 

[maisweh]

No sir I am thinking of coming up 211 from the south and east, then turning on to Beef Basin rd not far past Newspaper Rock. I believe Indian Creek is what I'll need to cross almost immediately.

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