You are probably right Hugh, on a second look those do look like Llamas. Alpacas look similar but are smaller. Both have the potential to provide you with a nice sweater. . . as well as spit at you.
ILast week, I completed a six day, approximately 44 mile backpacking trip through the south central portion of Yellowstone National Park. This trip included my wife and daughter, along with @Artemus, and my friend Quin, who joined us on our second day of the trip.
The route was a lollipop loop that began and ended at the South Boundary Trailhead, located just north of the South Entrance Ranger Station. We did the loop in a clockwise direction, and stayed at our second campsite for two nights in order to do a day hike north, up to the southern shore of Heart Lake.
The first two days were quite comfortable with temps in the high sixties and low seventies, but on day three and beyond it began to warm up, and our last three days were a bit on the hot side. Also, might mention that the first day was smoky, days two through five were clear before smoke settled in again on our way out on the last day.
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Overview map of our lollipop loop
Day 1 - South Boundary Trailhead to Campsite 8C6
We had stayed at the Grant Village Campground the night before, and after driving south to the trailhead, we managed to hit the trail a little after eleven in the morning.
First up on this trail is a ford of the Snake River, which was pretty straight forward for everyone, being only calf to mid-calf deep and not too swift at the crossing.
After the crossing, we made our way through some meadows to some hot springs that were located on the east side of the trail. We made a short detour to check them out before heading into the forest where we would spend a good portion of the day before breaking out to the Snake River once again near the Snake River Hot Springs and campsite 8C1. Along the way, we enjoyed currants, raspberries, and some huckleberries.
About two hours in, we stopped to eat lunch, and while finishing up, a solo backpacker passed by and told us that he'd just seen a grizzly about ten to fifteen minutes up the trail and it had stood up to get a better look at him. Of course, we never saw the bear once we were back on the trail.
When we reached the Snake River Hot Springs, I told Art that where the creek that flows out of the springs enters the river you can sit and soak. So Art went to check this out as we continued on past campsite 8C1 and on towards our second ford of the Snake just before our campsite for the night.
Arriving at the river, we ran into a group that was headed for 8C1 for the night, and they told us that they had seen two grizzlies and one black bear today coming from Heart Lake. And of course once again, we didn't see any of the bears.
We forded the river again; reached our campsite; Art caught back up to us; and we set up our tents and settled in to eat dinner.
Just as we were finishing our meals, we heard a shout from back across the river, and soon a gentleman showed up at our site, asking if we had this site for the night. After we told him "Yes, we do." He asked to see our permit. I showed him the official permit emailed to me from the backcountry office. We then asked to see his permit. He then stated that it was on his wife's cellphone and she didn't have cell coverage in the backcountry, and that he was with her and his son, and his sister-in-law who was three months pregnant, but they were still on the other side of the Snake, because they didn't want to ford the river again. He said that his wife told him they were in our campsite for the night.
"Hmm," I thought to myself. If you really thought that this was your campsite, then why didn't your whole group come across the river to start setting up camp? It made no sense to me.
I might add at this point that the gentleman was carrying a sidearm, and kept fidgeting with the pistol as he spoke to us. Art eventually asked him to stop fondling his gun because it was beginning to make him feel uncomfortable. I then asked if his group had run into any wildlife on their hike in, and he said that they had just run into a sow with three cubs before he forded the river. He said that he shouted at the bear which made them take off. So that was the shouts that we had heard previously. And once again, we never saw the bears.He then wandered back across the river to join his family and they headed back the way they had come.
We came to believe they were trying to poach a site for the night and really didn't have an official permit.
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Information board at the trailhead
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The ladies fording the Snake
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The hot springs just before we entered the forest
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I passed along this footbridge when they were building it back in 2012. I stopped and watched them for a bit before continuing on
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Plenty of berries along this stretch of the trail
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Breaking out of the trees near the Snake River Hot Springs
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The Snake River near campsite 8C1
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Fording for the second time today. Our campsite for the night is located in the group of trees to the left.
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The Taj Mahal
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A dinner guest while we were eating
Day 2 - Campsite 8C6 to Campsite 8B2 near Basin Creek Lake
Day two was an easy day, at less than five miles to our next campsite and the temperature remained pleasant.
We started off by climbing up above the Snake River right out of camp, and then continuing on up the Red Creek Drainage. Eventually, we ran into a large, gorgeous meadow where we took some time to enjoy the views and watch a goshawk hunt for prey.
On our way to the meadow, we ran into a group of three heading south that saw a grizzly on Red Creek just ahead of us, but alas, no such luck for us.
After taking in the meadow, we reached Basin Creek Lake and just beyond our campsite. Since we reached camp fairly early in the day, Art and I did a hike up onto the ridge to see if we could get a glance of Mount Sheridan, which is located on the west side of Heart Lake.
At around eight in the evening, Quin showed up to join our merry band of scallywags, and you'll never guess what he saw on the way in. That's right a grizzly bear - just above our previous night's campsite! No bear sighting for the rest of us though.
I thought that 8B2 was a much better campsite than our previous night's 8C6.
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Getting set up to put my knee brace on for day number two
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Climbing up above the Snake
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The Snake River
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The confluence of Red Creek with the Snake River
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Forest hiking during the first part of the day up the Red Creek Drainage
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Red Creek
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Time for a drink
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Breaking out into the large meadow
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A frog in a tributary of Red Creek
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Meadow view
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More meadow - looking north
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@Artemus, taking it all in - watching the goshawks hunt
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Arriving at Basin Creek Lake
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Signpost for campsite 8B2
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This guy hung out by our tent
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View from our day hike after reaching campsite 8B2 in the afternoon - Chicken Ridge in the distance. Also, a look down onto the
meadows where we would be day hiking up to Heart Lake on Day 3
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A glimpse of Mount Sheridan
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More views to the northeast from the ridge towards Channel Mountain
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Back at Basin Creek Lake - about twenty ducks are calling the lake home
Day 3 - Day Hike from Campsite 8B2 to Heart Lake
Day three found us staying at the same campsite which afforded us a nice hike up to Heart Lake and back at around 9.5 miles roundtrip.
On our way up to the lake, we realized that the Park Service had moved the official trail further to the east, up into the dog's hair pine and out of the lowlands. On our way back to camp, we would remedy this and take the original trail.
Along the way, Mount Sheridan would dominate our view, and we stopped at Sheridan Lake for some lunch, and once we reached Heart Lake, we took a prolonged break at the lake to enjoying a beautiful afternoon, though by this time it was beginning to get warmer.
Art, Sheila and Katie all enjoyed getting into the water at the lake, and all emerged with leaches! I also pointed out to Art the game trail that follows the southern shore of the lake to the Heart River.
On our way back to camp, the guys decided to take the old trail through the lowland along Basin Creek. This turned out to be a fun jaunt through some marsh, allowing us to pass by a couple of beaver dams, and sniff our the old campsite that used to be used before the NPS moved it.
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Day hike overview map to Heart Lake. The official trail green, while the old trail purple.
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On our way to Heart Lake and Mount Sheridan
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Consultation along the trail
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Where we first realized the old trail was not the official trail anymore. The downed marker says "Main Trail." This caused us some
confusion at first.
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Lily pad filled pond
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A look up at Mount Sheridan
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Coming up on the northern end of the old trail - where it intersects with the current trail
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Sheridan Lake - our lunch stop
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Southwest corner of Heart Lake
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Heart Lake
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Heading back to camp through old growth
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The old trail. Trail Crew!
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Beaver dam along the old trail
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Following Basin Creek on the old trail
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Trail Crew! @chandlerwest
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Old trail trail marker with a bullet hole in it
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Right this way - into the willows we go
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@Artemus at the old campsite 8B1 location. Notice the downed bear pole behind him.
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The southern intersection of the old trail with the current one
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Our water source for campsite 8B2 The trickle that filled this pool would dry up as the day warmed up
Day 4 - Campsite 8B2 to Campsite 8C4 on the Snake River
Day four turned out to be a hoot. First, we had to cover some of the same ground that we had on the previous day in order to get to the Basin Creek Cutoff Trail. Again, a section of this trail had been moved up into the new growth, so of course we took the old route instead.
Mount Sheridan once again dominated the landscape on this day, and Basin Creek would have to be forded many times on our way to 8C4.
After our llama surprise, the afternoon really heated up for us on our way to 8C4. When we arrived at camp, everyone headed to the river to enjoy the cool water.
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Back north again today
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Can you make out the old cutoff trail?
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Mount Sheridan, from the old cutoff trail
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On the old cutoff trail
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Basin Creek below
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Bear scat of the trail
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Dual bear poles at campsite 8B3
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Chicken Ridge to the northeast
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The llama train is rolling into town!
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Scatman heaven!
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A llama whisperer too?
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Another crossing of Basin Creek
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Shoulder high grass at the beginning of this meadow. It was really heating up at this point.
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Willows!
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Back on the Snake again, near the confluence with Basin Creek seen below
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Bear pole and food bag at 8C4
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Giving the feet a rest.
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Alpenglow on Mount Hancock along Big Game Ridge
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Dusk on the Snake River and Mount Sheridan
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Dusk at campsite 8C4
Day 5 - Campsite 8C4 to Campsite 8C2 on the Snake River
On day five, we had almost an immediate ford of the Snake River as we used the Harebell Cutoff Trail in order to reach the Harebell Patrol Cabin, located near the southern boundary of the Park. The Harebell Cutoff turned out to be the biggest hill climb of the trip, and I slipped into mosey mode as I mad my way up the trail.
When we reached the patrol cabin, we stopped for a lengthy break. The cabin itself was not being occupied at the moment, and we noticed several grizzly bear claw marks all around the structure, even a muddy paw print on the back wall.
From the patrol cabin, after one small hill, it was essentially down hill all the way to the crossing of Coulter Creek. And after the fording of Coulter, a flat meadows hike to our last campsite 8C2.
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Looking north along the Snake River
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Fording again
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Heading up the Harebell Cutoff Trail
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Harebell Patrol Cabin
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Paw print?
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Group shot at the cabin
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Patrol cabin outhouse
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Looking back at Mount Hancock and Big Game Ridge
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View to the west
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Harebell Creek below
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Coulter Creek - good grizzly country
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Confluence of Coulter Creek and the Snake River
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Arriving at campsite 8C2
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Campsite 8C2
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Bear boxes instead of a bear pole(s) at 8C2
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Sunset at 8C2
Day 6 - Campsite 8C2 to the South Boundary Trailhead
We were up early for today's hike out. It would be our longest day and we wanted to beat the heat and get as many miles out of the way before it turned hot. Quin left extra early in order to get back to the trailhead and drive back to Salt Lake, before heading on to Great Basin National Park the following day.
Heading out, we saw our first bear tracks on the trail, and we also ran into a family of grouse. Also, it was nice to see some small aspens taking hold along the South Boundary Trail. When I was through here about thirty years ago there were no aspen to speak of.
As we approached campsite 8C1 again, we ran into a family of marmots that showed off for us.
We made good time on our way out, and after our final ford of the Snake, we reached the trailhead in the early afternoon.
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Heading out from campsite 8C2
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Bear print on the South Boundary Trail
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Grouse along the trail
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A patch of Goldenrod along the trail
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Back on the Snake
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Marmots put on a show
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Soaking up some sun
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Thistles on our way out
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Creek from the Snake River Hot Springs
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There is a Pika in this shot.
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The final ford
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Last hill to the trailhead.
Great trip! The last three days were a little warmer than I like, but I drank plenty of water to stay hydrated.
This was not a big animal type of trip though. We did see four deer, including one along the old Heart Lake Trail. We saw many sandhill cranes, ducks, geese, and birds or prey, which include six bald eagles. Small animals included chipmunks, squirrels, marmots, pikas, mice, and a long tailed weasel. I was disappointed that we didn't see a bear at some point along our route, but sometimes that is just the way it goes.
As for our campsites, I thought only our first night's site, 8C6, was subpar with really no view to speak of other than one hill and some trees.
The End.
appears y’all saw an ancient orange nps trail maker that was written by a souther ranger. I can see how y’all mistook it fer main trail….but it looked ta me that th Ma tra wasshort fer mah trail..meanin it were th Rangers ole trail! Once again ya outdone yerself on documentin’ th trip..I liked it all but th leech part..it sucked. Don’t worry bout not seein bears, I got a feelin that yer bear less streak is comin to an end for th backcountry…oh boy! What’s yer record # fer seein grizz in th backcountry?You're right about that, but it doesn't mean that you can't follow it. You're allowed to day hike anywhere in the Park unless a restriction applies - ex. bear management areas, etc.. I've found the old trails tend to be a bit more scenic than when they construct a new trail up in the new growth lodgepole.
I prefer a mile or so of this
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as to this.
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How were th skeeters?Alright, clearly I need a lesson on my alpaca vs llama identification. You are the second person to identify them as alpacas. @TractorDoc was the first, but we both know he has eaten too many circus peanuts to trust his identification.Why are these alpacas?
Dooley is currently undercover, looking for old trails in the big Jelly for me. Sleuthing is one of his specialties you know.
Are you sure you can handle Dooley? He is a strange bird, I mean mule. He doesn't take well to strangers you know. I'm guessing you two may have kindred spirits though, so that might help.
Oh, I forgot to add that it was a long tailed weasel.
I agree with you there. If you had personal knowledge of the old trail then you are free to go for it!! You are accepting the risk that it might get sketchy back in there. Once in Glacier Jeff and I had it in our heads to do something. We had specific beta on the route. We got to were it left the trail and there were signs that this social route's use was being discouraged. We ended up following the route because.....we fudged a bit on our interpretation of the subtle signs and we had planned on this specific route for months. This past June I walked by that area, to point it out to my friend, and we could not find any positive or negative sign of that social trail. We figured that after two years of zero use do to Covid that nature had successfully reclaimed it.You're right about that, but it doesn't mean that you can't follow it. You're allowed to day hike anywhere in the Park unless a restriction applies - ex. bear management areas, etc.. I've found the old trails tend to be a bit more scenic than when they construct a new trail up in the new growth lodgepole.
I prefer a mile or so of this
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Very nice trip Hugh! You should know yur not going to most of those Grizzly's out there unless I'm with you!
You said a while back that I had a good memory... but if you remember there not being aspens along the south boundary trail 30 years ago, I'd say you've definitely been taking yur ginseng regularly!
Glad y'all had a good safe trip!
Cheers!
You are probably right Hugh, on a second look those do look like Llamas. Alpacas look similar but are smaller. Both have the potential to provide you with a nice sweater. . . as well as spit at you.
I suppose if I was going on a hike I'd probably take a Llama cause it could likely haul more.
Wide open. Let me know if you want to plan something.Hey, you may be on to something there Jon. What's your schedule like around the Columbus Day Weekend?
I can occasionally pull some meaningless trivia out of my mad cow diseased mind, but it is a rarity.
If there isn't too much smoke, I enjoyed the climb up to the lookout on Observation Peak. Even with the haze/smoke, I could see the south rim of the canyon. I started from the Tower Road Trailhead to Cascade Lake. The road is shut just past the picnic area.
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