2001: A Space Odyssey in Utah

gnwatts said:
@LarryBoy I don't think it is a slippery slope:

"an idea or course of action which will lead to something unacceptable, wrong, or disastrous."
Nothing unacceptable, wrong or disastrous will come of this.
Click to expand...
He's arguing that to condone the (illegal) removal of the monolith means that, logically speaking, we must also condone burning of historic structures, ripping out the Angels Landing chains, etc. That's classic slippery slope fallacy right there.
 
@Jackson , is it ok to place a chain handrail in Zion just because the government "lawfully" does it? Do you obey all laws?
I don't.
 
LarryBoy said:
He's arguing that to condone the (illegal) removal of the monolith means that, logically speaking, we must also condone burning of historic structures, ripping out the Angels Landing chains, etc. That's classic slippery slope fallacy right there.
Click to expand...
I don't believe that is logical at all.
 
gnwatts said:
@Jackson , is it ok to place a chain handrail in Zion just because the government "lawfully" does it? Do you obey all laws?
I don't.
Click to expand...
You make an interesting point, and it made me think a bit more. Thank you. That said, with some caveats, yes, it is "ok" for the NPS or whatever other agency to put in chains and other permanent safety features in places like Angels Landing. I don't personally like that they put chains in because it destroys the wildness of the place. However, the governmental agencies are authorized to do it, there are systems in place to weigh the pros and cons of doing it, and in the end, there isn't much I can do about it besides making a public comment during the agency's regulatory process.

And the point is that it's still very distinguishable from what happened here.

I try to obey all laws. Aside from going a little over the speed limit, I'm having trouble thinking of any other laws that I intentionally or at least knowingly violate. I definitely don't permanently affix artwork to slickrock on public land though.
 
Udink said:
Well, at least we've all learned something from this whole ordeal. According to https://www.ksl.com/article/5005909...-damage-caused-by-the-internet-sensationalism

"There aren't bathrooms — and yes, pooping in the desert is a misdemeanor."

Waiting for my citations from the BLM in the mail...
Click to expand...

"The theft — that is what we are looking into," said San Juan County Sheriff Jason Torgerson. "But we have not had anyone come forward to say they are missing a monolith."

lol no kidding
 
Nick said:
If you're the kind of person who just walks behind a bush and poops on the ground and leaves your TP all over, it certainly should be a misdemeanor.
Click to expand...
Yep, it totally should. During the spring/summer/fall season here around Torrey, I often find toilet paper and other disgusting literal crap on the ground in areas where a lot of people camp or park their RVs. Pisses me off every single time. If I happen to have a plastic bag with me I'll pick up the paper to dispose of it, but more often than not I don't, and of course I sure ain't touching it with my bare hands. Most visitors are good, and don't leave trash. But the careless ones that do...ugh. It's beyond irritating.
 
JulieKT said:
Yep, it totally should. During the spring/summer/fall season here around Torrey, I often find toilet paper and other disgusting literal crap on the ground in areas where a lot of people camp or park their RVs. Pisses me off every single time. If I happen to have a plastic bag with me I'll pick up the paper to dispose of it, but more often than not I don't, and of course I sure ain't touching it with my bare hands. Most visitors are good, and don't leave trash. But the careless ones that do...ugh. It's beyond irritating.
Click to expand...


One time we were hiking Death Hollow and got to the confluence with the Escalante River around sunset. We were pretty tired, picked a site, set up our tents and went to bed.

I woke up the next morning to find a bush 3 feet from our tent with crap, toilet paper, and a used tampon next to it.
 
Nick said:
This idea that they couldn't remove it because it was private property is baffling to me. If someone dumps a pile of garbage on BLM land, do they leave it so they won't get sued for moving private property? Of course not, so what's the difference. If you abandon things on public lands, there's no reasonable expectation that it won't get removed, aka your mess cleaned up, regardless if it's a pile of trash or a few sheets of metal riveted together.
Click to expand...
Cause everyone is saying it's art......which is BS.
 
donkiluminate said:
One time we were hiking Death Hollow and got to the confluence with the Escalante River around sunset. We were pretty tired, picked a site, set up our tents and went to bed.

I woke up the next morning to find a bush 3 feet from our tent with crap, toilet paper, and a used tampon next to it.
Click to expand...
Blargh. Some people are just so very extremely annoying when out on the beautiful public lands. :(
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top