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I'll be driving from Wisconsin to go hiking in the San Rafael Swell in October. We'll be driving east on I-70. We'd like to see some ruins. Can anyone suggest something that we could reach in a passenger car with a hike of 4 miles or less? The closer it is to I-70 the better, as some of us...

I camped on BLM land just outside the park near the Hop Valley trailhead just off the Kolob Terrace Road. Kolob Terrace Road goes in and out of the park. There is a rough road going west just before you re-enter the park. We were in a passenger car and we not able to get very far off the paved...

Beautiful photo. We're going to do two or three short hikes in the Swell in early October. I think we're going to see if we can climb the reef around the Black Dragon panel and maybe Wild Horse Creek and check out some of the canyons through the reef.

We are looking for some big views. Thanks for info about the Pasture, I guess we can cross it off the list.

Thanks for your reply. Is there a lot of cow sign along the Pasture? We're looking for a short two night hike. I was thinking of going from Tomisch to the Pasture and back, packing all our water.

I can't find any details. What is it?

Can we get to Hidden Splendor in a passenger van? I have a lot of experience on bad roads and it has made me cautious. We're not necessarily trying to get to Chimney, we want to do a two night backpack, carrying all our water. I was thinking of the area marked as "the pasture" on the map...

The Trails Illustrated map shows a trail heading south from Tomsich Butte to Chimney Canyon. I can't find any reports on it. Anyone been there?

Permits for some places in Glacier fill up as soon as they start processing requests on April 15.

Thank you.

Sitting here in Wisconsin looking at topo maps and google earth, it looks to me like a guy might able climb up on the reef from the east side from Wild Horse Creek north of Wild Horse Creek Trail. What's it look like on the ground? We're fit with good route finding skills but don't want any...

I-70 in the swell.

I see one road that goes up onto the flat and one that goes past Hyde Draw Reservoir to the trailhead. Are these pictures from the flat? Are both roads passable?

Thanks for the tip.

We'll be in a standard suv or van. How's the road to Cliff Dweller Flat??

Thanks. I've got some new dessert hikers, and I want to lay out some options for them.

I'll be hiking somewhere the first week of October, opening week for Utah deer hunters. Will there be many hunters in Grand Gulch?

Thanks for the photos.

I've been to the swell once, and except for this road and the one north to the Wedge Overlook, I wasn't able to drive on any distance before we were blocked. We had a passenger car that time and will have a standard SUV this time, so we're limited by where we drive.

Five miles from the road that goes from the interstate to Tomisch Butte. We'd camp overnight.