Waterproof jacket - leaks?

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Frost

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Hi All,

I’ve invested in a nice waterproof jacket. It has GORE-TEX with Paclite, 2.5 Layer. Almost everything about it is fine, except one thing...
It darkens on the inside when the water gets on outside fabric. Now, I understand there is a “wetting out” effect when you wear a jacket during the rain. But, in my case, the inside darkens (as if it’s wet) even when you just put water on it (without wearing it).
E.g., here is a picture of the inside of the jacket after I put some water on the outside and kept it there for 5 mins(no wearing).

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Does anyone else have it as well? Is it normal?


And here is what happnes after about 1 hour of wearing the jacket when it rains:

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Jackson

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How long have you had it? Have you put it through much use? It may need a fresh DWR treatment.
 

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The second photo looks like it’s failing at the seams. I’m an advocate for calling the manufacturer and explaining the failure. More often than not they will replace it.
 

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The jacket is actually new. I’ve only had it for a couple of months and used it only once… When I first saw the dark spots, I was shocked… My first thought was that this jacket was leaking and failing at the seams! :(

I wonder now if all GORE-TEX 2.5L have this effect… I guess, if you have a 3L, you may not see the darkening of the inside because of the 3rd layer that covers the membrane on the inside…
 
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What's the brand and model? Where did you purchase it?
 

Jackson

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So does water actually come through at the dark spots? Or does it just turn dark?
 

Frost

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The water did not seem to go through when I tested it at home(first photo). But, when I was hiking in the rain, the jacket got wet on the inside(second photo).... a “wetting out” effect...? I guess, I will be checking with the manufacturer as well.
Does anyone have a 2.5L jacket?
 
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I have an Arc'teryx Alpha SL (I think those are the right letters) that's made with Paclite. Never had any trouble with it though.
 

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Thanks Jackson. It seems that your jacket has a 2.5-layer Gore-Tex Paclite as well.
 

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I too have an Arcteryx Alpha but it's the SV model. ProShell instead of Paclite. Pro Shell makes all the difference. My expensive jacket wets out after a short rain but it's not meant to keep me dry---it's meant to keep me warm. (And in a cold snow it does both).

The main criteria for a rain jacket is its ruggedness---with a small amount of breathability thrown in, i.e. Goretex. A good goretex jacket works great for the first hour of a rainstorm---afterwhich inside humidity/sweat and outside humidity work together to stop goretex from working.

My Alpha SV is 10 years old and has been thru everything with no pinholes or rips. My old Marmot paclite jacket lasted 2 years before getting numerous holes just from backpacking.

Here's the Alpha in action during a bushwacking Hell Trek.

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Frost

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Thanks Tipi Walter for the input.
I guess, the issue may be related to the ruggedness. My jacket is very thin and light.

So, I've tested it again - on different places. The inside darkened everywhere except on the hood. The material of the hood seems a bit thicker than the rest of the jacket...
The dark spots now have a "damp" feel. Not sure... but it could be related to condensation...
 

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