End of June/Early July ideas

Dreamer said:
Only that one 4 nighter in the Gro Vont versus 610 nights in the Winds. In my opinion the Winds are unhikable in June and barely so in early July, at least what one would consider a normal trip. You won’t see many bugs (none? only down low in the trees and who wants to stay there anyway) but the snow travel will be likely extensive (not just passes) and all creek crossings (the ones you can’t snow bridge over) will be a challenge and some undoable by most sane people. Four feet of snow in Fish Creek Park out of Big Sandy mid June of ‘17. I’ve seen a 16” standing wave in very fast moving mid thigh deep water at the Seneca Lk outlet creek by Hobbes Lk first week of July (short but intense with high consequence) - which most get an ankle deep easy as pie crossing during normal season. Plus the access roads - both Big Sandy and Green River have a good chance of being a muddy rutted 4wd high clearance mess in spots and Elkhart could still be snowed in in mid June. There are good reasons most wait until the bugs begin to dissipate in mid August. The Vont is about 3000ft lower than the Winds. On the hike there (just a snapshot in time) I do not recall seeing a single bug. Must’ve been too early for em. We walked on snow a fair bit up high but it was well consolidated.
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I really appreciate that perspective. Looking at my calendar, this trip would be first week of July, but I was already a little leary. And, I had not considered the roads part of the winds. The road to Big Sandy was a washboarded mess in September 2021, I definitely don't want to deal with mud on top of that.

I'll reconsider the Winds in June once I have a better idea of snow and melt. Thanks again
 
Always go with me and Scat on July 7......
 
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