Eugene
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I had visited the Grand Gulch Cedar Mesa area several times before but continue to be intrigued by the area especially with all the ruins one can see. Five of us Texan folks set out on April 11 planning to a hike from the Todie TH down Todie canyon to Grand Gulch and then exiting at Government TH.
Picture of 4 of the 5 (I am the short old geezer) at the Todie TH.
The following is a map of the Cedar Mesa area with the trailheads.
The rules for Grand Gulch include seeing a video at the Kane Gulch ranger station and then we had to do a car shuttle which took nearly an hour as it is a long ways down to the Government Trailhead so we didn't get started until after 10 am on Tuesday. We were warned that Todie was a rough entry and not advised for novice hikers. It was rough as shown in the pictures below but is feasible to enter without ropes (if a 69 year old man can do it then it should be feasible for most hikers). Below are 2 pictures of the entry area.
![P1000277.JPG P1000277.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42083-8d5b549a59b9d005bb171acde5c25947.jpg)
![upload_2016-4-18_9-46-43.jpeg upload_2016-4-18_9-46-43.jpeg](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42097-27edcb5dfc7bfbebcfefd08469be0a31.jpg)
As this was a wet winter and spring, water was no problem. Yes there are dry stretches BUT the major canyon entries all had plenty of flowing water.
![upload_2016-4-18_9-26-4.jpeg upload_2016-4-18_9-26-4.jpeg](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42085-6635e0b149511865dda5082b5343c4ea.jpg)
Our hike was planned for trail distance of 24.2 miles so this meant approximately 8 miles/day as we needed to be out before noon on Friday. We did not anticipate the trail to be as brushy as it was so we had overestimated the mileage we could attain in a day. Eight miles sounds short but the trails or should I say improvised foot paths continued to be thru brushy areas and as expected up and down sand banks. Hence we did not get to see as many ruins as we had hoped. The following are a few pictures of the landscape and ruins on the trip.
Ruins
![IMG_0771 - Copy.JPG IMG_0771 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42087-fea77ecda1dce8e2aaf6571ed1eb2963.jpg)
Interesting rock formation
![IMG_4139 - Copy.JPG IMG_4139 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42088-fcec277b0a7a434df9ed1daf62d78118.jpg)
Another rock formation
![IMG_4149 - Copy.JPG IMG_4149 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42089-b883306ff8afa3c083e4398cdeb70c00.jpg)
Ruins (Split Level??)
![IMG_4158 - Copy.JPG IMG_4158 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42090-2964014814d8b515e44342d9b4b9d223.jpg)
![IMG_4159 - Copy.JPG IMG_4159 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42091-85da85dcd2644fe59a1c6efb343c6d12.jpg)
Rock formation
![P1000287 - Copy.JPG P1000287 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42092-737703bf14c21e0dc9ac984860b9812c.jpg)
![P1000287 - Copy.JPG P1000287 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42092-737703bf14c21e0dc9ac984860b9812c.jpg)
More ruins
![P1000295 - Copy.JPG P1000295 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42093-2fc55f3772b3d17feaa421b52b39344e.jpg)
Rock formation
![P1000324 - Copy.JPG P1000324 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42094-2c702570b37e7605f4370624efc84361.jpg)
This final image is a view from about half way up the Government Trail looking back to the NW across Grand Gulch. Note the extensive dwellings near the top center. Amazing.![P1000452.JPG P1000452.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42095-6c4de34bbaac897c61889cf978162bf6.jpg)
Of course going DC there is not problem getting lost (all roads lead to Rome). However, if you are relying on GPS and Topo maps you might be mislead as to the location of the Government exit. The maps I obtained (used Mytopo.com) seemed to indicate the exit was right at Polly's Canyon as did my friend's GPS. However, it is about 1/4 mile down canyon where the Grand Gulch turns back west. (I had been in here before and did remember this but had a hard time convincing the folks with me of this location) We did find the exit after I finally convinced my group to explore DC.
We had planned (had reservations) to go see Moonhouse but did not have time. Something for the next trip.
Picture of 4 of the 5 (I am the short old geezer) at the Todie TH.
![upload_2016-4-18_9-44-5.jpeg upload_2016-4-18_9-44-5.jpeg](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42096-d1d2cf45b0aff40e40f80977d9ead311.jpg)
The following is a map of the Cedar Mesa area with the trailheads.
![area.JPG area.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42082-e73a59eec215c59698564a2eff3ee015.jpg)
The rules for Grand Gulch include seeing a video at the Kane Gulch ranger station and then we had to do a car shuttle which took nearly an hour as it is a long ways down to the Government Trailhead so we didn't get started until after 10 am on Tuesday. We were warned that Todie was a rough entry and not advised for novice hikers. It was rough as shown in the pictures below but is feasible to enter without ropes (if a 69 year old man can do it then it should be feasible for most hikers). Below are 2 pictures of the entry area.
![P1000277.JPG P1000277.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42083-8d5b549a59b9d005bb171acde5c25947.jpg)
![upload_2016-4-18_9-46-43.jpeg upload_2016-4-18_9-46-43.jpeg](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42097-27edcb5dfc7bfbebcfefd08469be0a31.jpg)
As this was a wet winter and spring, water was no problem. Yes there are dry stretches BUT the major canyon entries all had plenty of flowing water.
![upload_2016-4-18_9-26-4.jpeg upload_2016-4-18_9-26-4.jpeg](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42085-6635e0b149511865dda5082b5343c4ea.jpg)
Our hike was planned for trail distance of 24.2 miles so this meant approximately 8 miles/day as we needed to be out before noon on Friday. We did not anticipate the trail to be as brushy as it was so we had overestimated the mileage we could attain in a day. Eight miles sounds short but the trails or should I say improvised foot paths continued to be thru brushy areas and as expected up and down sand banks. Hence we did not get to see as many ruins as we had hoped. The following are a few pictures of the landscape and ruins on the trip.
Ruins
![IMG_0771 - Copy.JPG IMG_0771 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42087-fea77ecda1dce8e2aaf6571ed1eb2963.jpg)
Interesting rock formation
![IMG_4139 - Copy.JPG IMG_4139 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42088-fcec277b0a7a434df9ed1daf62d78118.jpg)
Another rock formation
![IMG_4149 - Copy.JPG IMG_4149 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42089-b883306ff8afa3c083e4398cdeb70c00.jpg)
Ruins (Split Level??)
![IMG_4158 - Copy.JPG IMG_4158 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42090-2964014814d8b515e44342d9b4b9d223.jpg)
![IMG_4159 - Copy.JPG IMG_4159 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42091-85da85dcd2644fe59a1c6efb343c6d12.jpg)
Rock formation
![P1000287 - Copy.JPG P1000287 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42092-737703bf14c21e0dc9ac984860b9812c.jpg)
![P1000287 - Copy.JPG P1000287 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42092-737703bf14c21e0dc9ac984860b9812c.jpg)
More ruins
![P1000295 - Copy.JPG P1000295 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42093-2fc55f3772b3d17feaa421b52b39344e.jpg)
Rock formation
![P1000324 - Copy.JPG P1000324 - Copy.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42094-2c702570b37e7605f4370624efc84361.jpg)
This final image is a view from about half way up the Government Trail looking back to the NW across Grand Gulch. Note the extensive dwellings near the top center. Amazing.
![P1000452.JPG P1000452.JPG](https://backcountrypost.com/data/attachments/42/42095-6c4de34bbaac897c61889cf978162bf6.jpg)
Of course going DC there is not problem getting lost (all roads lead to Rome). However, if you are relying on GPS and Topo maps you might be mislead as to the location of the Government exit. The maps I obtained (used Mytopo.com) seemed to indicate the exit was right at Polly's Canyon as did my friend's GPS. However, it is about 1/4 mile down canyon where the Grand Gulch turns back west. (I had been in here before and did remember this but had a hard time convincing the folks with me of this location) We did find the exit after I finally convinced my group to explore DC.
We had planned (had reservations) to go see Moonhouse but did not have time. Something for the next trip.